i have to say i like the idea of getting rid of anything but noob npc corps and making a character independent if they are not members of a corp...

that way it takes away the war dec shield as you can now war dec a character...

i would also make standard personal tax rate of 10% that goes as a fee to concord for non corp membership registration fees... the fees are used for stargate maintenance as a pr excuse....

This is worse than misunderstanding, this is a lie. There is Zero evidence that people will quit the game for anyreason except ridiculasly expensive monocles. That "carebear conventional wisdom" that people will quit the game if you change something has not only been proven false,it's been proven false RECENTLY. people swore they would quit with the NPC AI change and nerfed heavy missiles, yet I see no slackin in the carebearin.

Indeed, it's a powerful disincentive to join player-owned corps and engage in emergent content. That's why NPC corps need to go.

Didnt day or war Z or whatever get like a 10/100 on meta critic?
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Glad to hear it. For NPC corp players who genuinely value being a lone agent and individual actor, and not merely take advantage of unbalanced mechanics, the changes I endorse would effect them little. Making NPC corp members individually deccable merely makes the advantages and disadvantages of solo vs. team play a true question of gamestyle instead of being heavily incentivized by game mechanics to head in one direction.

That's a bit of an ironic stance to take considering I was just replying to an NPC corp member who states that the average player corp tax rate does not offer sufficient compensation compared to wardec immunity, and here's you claiming that the benefits of player corp membership are so overwhelmingly evident that solo play needs ironclad incentives to give it any merit whatsoever. And before you both Mayhaw saying the mechanics behind NPC corps are irrelevant because it's being a lone wolf is what counts. Total autonomy is its own reward.

Of the three, i find Mayhaw's stance easiest to relate to. You seem to think highsec players interacting with each other (in an MMO no less) is a bad thing.

Wow. This thread has been busy.

To sum up a lot of what I'm reading here, there are quite a few NPC corp carebears insisting that their way of playing Eve is legitimate and they should be left alone to influence the market how they see fit while the rest of us are unable to influence their ability to conduct their carebear activities without expensive suicide ganks.

Once again: if you can opt out of combat, I should have the right to opt out of the market and get all my items spawned on an NPC market at fixed prices. I don't want to buy stuff made from your ore. Let me play Eve my way.

A few more ideas I've been toying with. Making NPC corps less attractive:
- Restricting trades/contracts between NPC and player corp members. This prevents people simply passing goods between alts to avoid the fees suggested above. Also makes neutral haulers more difficult to use.

- Passive bonuses for operating in the same constellation as the corporation's home office. This will encourage players to operate in the same area.

So continue to close loopholes involving wardec evasion, which includes things like NPC corps.

Not avoiding a wardec if you have to play on another account.

I love how they claim it's 'futile' to rid/fix NPC corps because of corp-hopping. That's what, two simply fixed things?

If it's facilitating or replacing the acts of the first, for example, using a contested station, flying a freighter through a contested gate, mining in a contested belt, the alt can be wardecced as well, provided wardec evasion was eliminated. I mean, there's the chance that there's someone out there with unlimited high-SP alts, but that may be a chance worth taking.

I think there should definitely be an increasing 'cooldown' on multiple corphops within a short period.

It is not unfair if it is available to everyone.

My case for keeping NPC corps is that it allows a wider variety of playing styles, attracting a wider player base. Removing the NPC corps will not convert solo players and hard core carebears into people that play the way the PVPers wan them to play. All it will do is cause them to quit playing.

An argument that "It isn't fair" is BS since anyone can join an NPC corp at any time. Available to anyone = fair.

But, there are costs. Can't put up a POS, so can't do research in anything close to a timely manner. Can't take from your friend's cans without them abandoning them for anyone to take, or getting flagged a suspect. Can't easily create shared bookmarks. Can't easily share and alter group ship fits. Can't get group shared hangers in stations. Can't create 1000 contracts that just your friends can accept.

On and on.

If you want to argue that the benefits of joining a player corp should be increased, or even that the penalties for being in an NPC corp should be increased (like, say, a market tax, refining tax, etc), to coax more people out of NPC corps, okay. Unfortunately, most of those could be circumvented pretty easily by transferring stuff to another account.

However, coaxing more people out of NPC corps has not been the point of much of this thread, which instead has largely focused on total elimination of NPC corps as a way of making it possible to war dec anyone at anytime.


It is not, "Let's increase the carrot and stick" to get a higher % of players into player corps. Instead it has been "Eliminate NPC corps so there is no where to hide from a war dec".

First, I'd be okay with. Second? I'd quit playing.